Secrets of Shastiamsa – III

ThyExperiments Towards Truth

D 60 & BCP cum BSP

By

Saptarishis Astrology

Copy editor: Andree Leclerc

The following mail was sent on one of the forums.

Dear Visti, all SJC Gurus and learned members, namaste. Please, kindly clarify the question bellow.

As Maharishi Parashara says, D-60 is everything. I wanted to know more about this subject.

This question arose while studying my own Shastyamsa: if I pick Lahiri Ayanamsa, Ketu would be in twelfth house Mithuna sign with Guru, Sani and Surya. On the other hand, if I chose Jagannatha ayanamsa, Ketu would be in Karka (Which is the lagna) and fifth from AL.

Knowing how the curse (of twelfth house) would work on this life and how to make it at least a little bit less painful if possible is very important, right? With Lahiri ayanamsa, the nodes would take part on the curse in the twelfth house. With Jagannatha, it is different, as the nodes would change position to other signs and Rahu and Mars would be affecting Moon.

Please, clarify: which ayanamsa to chose, and based on which judgment should we do so? The results from picking one or another would differ much in many vargas and ultimately could mislead the astrologer in applying the right remedy for each situation. Should we choose the ayanamsa based on intuition, or the tradition is the final word on which one should be chosen?
Best wishes,
Rap

Ps: My tob and pob – 07:00:10 – Time Zone: 03:00/ Lon 47W54 Lat 15S47

The following is a discussion on chat with an astrologer from Brazil. It is presented in chat form and shows our approach and also its vulnerability. Readers can use various ayanamsas and check his D 60, play with his Ketu with the ayanamsas and see the significations of Ketu which means obstacles, fights, hosting ones flag, who shows non attachment or not direct relation (use it with his sisters) who is with A6 (fights) and see the clues on how we found out if his D60 is correct.

A 6

A 6

SA: Hi

Ra Si: hi there

SA: this is with reference to your mail on Sri Jagannatha forum, I seem to have done some work on D60 since 2004 and wanted your chart details if its ok with you, the message posted did not contain DOB

Ra Si: oh sure, it’ll be of great help, thanks

SA: most welcome

Ra Si: i was born in 09/02/82

SA: is it 9th Feb 1982?

Ra Si: yes

SA: Time, location and country

Ra Si: 07:00:10, Brasilia/ Brazil at 2:07:00:10 am

SA: what is the 10 seconds ? in the time of birth

Ra Si: this tob i found by rectification

SA: no, no rectification please

SA: what is there in your birth certificate

Ra Si: ok, 7:00:00

SA: oh ok thanks

Ra Si: ten seconds changed the D-24 chart

SA: Sir you would be male female (for dasas)

Ra Si: male

SA: there are many latitudes & longitudes – which one should I take please guide

Ra Si: 47w54  / 15s47

SA: time zone too

Ra Si: time zone 3

SA: ok please hang on I will check in other softwares too

Ra Si: ok

SA: Jhora gives 1 time zone ?

Ra Si: its wrong, its 3 time zone

SA: in which name should I save the chart (full name please if possible)

Ra Si: u should save the chart as Raphael Silva

SA: next to Brasilia, I get Acre, another option Maranhao and many others. Which state would it be?

Ra Si: its Brasilia DF

SA: distrito federal

Ra Si: yes

SA: got it

SA: 8 Aq 42 Asc?

Ra Si: yes – you see, ten seconds later would fit better on D-24 chart and also fits on kunda principles

SA: kunda principles do not work; I am sure you are told that by experienced astrologers, meaning if you are using kunda for birth time rectification

SA: re D24 let’s see

Ra Si: ok

SA: your Navamsa lagna is Sagi ?

Ra Si: yes

SA: D-60 lagna is Cancer ?

Ra Si: yes

SA: do you have younger brothers sisters?

Ra Si: yes, both

SA: do you get along with them ?

Ra Si: but sisters are just related by father – I’m not close to sisters and have some kind of enmity towards my brother. Sisters live in another city

SA: so Ketu is in the 3H of siblings in D-60 is confirmed

Ra Si: well, I love my brother

Ra Si: Ketu in D-60?

SA: you said earlier you got enmity towards your brother ?

Ra Si: we have lots of arguments but I don’t hate him or anything like that – I just get too angry at him

SA: that’s ok. Anyone of them having any Mercury related problems? Like skin diseases or too Mercurial in nature – or some accident happened to them

Ra Si: ok, they don’t have skin disease as far as I know.  From Jhora I see Ketu as being in Gemini twelfth house? Oh ok, you see rashi dhristi from there

SA: no, I am using True nodes in D-60 (at times mean nodes work) but mainly true nodes work far better – with true nodes Ketu should be in the 3H in D-60

Ra Si: ok

SA: Rahu should be in the 9H of higher vidya (knowledge) and that should give you either learning of some knowledge that is foreign to you (Rahu) or a foreign Guru kinds

Ra Si: in this life?

SA: yes, this life. Did you do any technical education? I see some problem regarding father on a broad sense

Ra Si: I study social history at master’s degree level – Yes, u see right

SA: ooh history… Is it related to war and fights and struggles (I do not know meaning of social history)

Ra Si: hmm, it’s a pretty broad field of history – you can say I started studying it to understand about my own identity

SA: at the age of 25 anything happened concerning 12 H matters? (in D-60) [1]

Ra Si: well, I felt like a huge weight was taken of my shoulders – my first relationship ended

SA: in your 25th year?

Ra Si: yes, and I started searching for spirituality

SA: please wait

Ra Si: ok

SA: 25th year would be Feb 2006 to Feb 2007, so did that spirituality search start during this period ?

Ra Si: yes, it increased in this period

SA: when did it start?

Ra Si: I think I broke up with the first spouse in 2005 not 2006 – then it was a year being single

SA: ok. When did the spirituality search start

Ra Si: I think in 2005 up till now – it was not so much like now

SA: in 2005 after Feb 2005?

Ra Si: yes, certainly but I wanted to know more about philosophy and things like that; the nature of men, etc

SA: when did God start?

Ra Si: 2008

SA: it’s the key to your D60

Ra Si: end of 2008 I started searching for Him – since I started learning Jyotish

SA: bang on your Ketu is in the 3H confirmed

SA: end of 2008 means your 27th year which means 3H of your chart and in 3H there is Ketu (spirituality real one) and also Jyotish since Mer Ketu are there. In 25th year I see some Peeda (internal strife), Sun (soul) is activated and suffering (Saturn) and internal search, 9L in 12H

Ra Si: nice, it fits a lot

SA: 28th or 29th year I see some women related activity or education activity strongly. Let me see your age now – you are in your 29th year now

Ra Si: 28th sir – 28th to 29

SA: but in 28th year since there is A8 I see a lot of occult (Jyotish) activity

Ra Si: I got it

SA: 28th year what u got?

Ra Si: I understand what u say of me being in 29th year

SA: ohh ok – it’s the Nadi way, that’s how it is calculated

Ra Si: ok

SA: 25th year something to do with wife or children? 25th year lord is in the 5H and retrograde hence it could be a year of mental turmoil. I can be wrong[2]

Ra Si: hmm… I met my actual wife when I was 24 years

SA: 24th year running?

Ra Si: yes

SA: that means Feb 2005 to Feb 2006 ?

Ra Si: I met her in 2006

SA: month?

Ra Si: May 2006

SA: that is not 24th year but 25th year

Ra Si: ok

SA: reproducing what I wrote above, that’s how it is calculated. 25th year something to do with wife or children?

Ra Si: oh yes, indeed.

SA: since 25th year is 1H and its lord Moon is in the 11H of wife and children and it is aspected by Venus from the 5H

SA: is she round faced or calm composition, am trying to assess how much the Moon is spoilt by Venus retrogression or not – or is she motherly?

Ra Si: she’s very hot minded in disposition

SA: Moon being with Neptune could give fleeting thoughts

Ra Si: but yet she’s motherly in nature – but she complains on that

SA: ooh so Venus being the dispositor of Mars aspecting this Moon has done it, I was hoping it did not

Ra Si: it’s not an issue; we can get along well most of times

SA: that’s nice, we must be thankful to God for the good things he has given. Well my job is done, your Asc is Cancer in D-60 there is no doubt about it

Ra Si: do you see curse in 12th house? And I didn’t know it was possible to see such things on D-60

SA: D-60 is the chart of past, present and future

Ra Si: it’s great sir

SA: what was not possible to see in D-60?

Ra Si: I thought it was related to previous birth (AL) and the embodiment of all life you passed through (Lagna itself) but I didn’t know it would have such weightage in prediction as you showed

SA: the above statement is difficult for me to comprehend as it sounds a lot of theorization if you don’t mind me saying

SA: K. N. Rao has done phenomenal work on D-60 some decades back when no one was even looking at D-60. Full life predictions can be done via D-60 dear Raphael

Ra Si: that’s very nice to know, will keep that in mind

Ra Si: sir, mind asking you

SA: your 30th year would be a very important year

Ra Si: related to spirituality?

SA: 30, 31, 32, 33. Lot of changes, lots and lots in all areas

Ra Si: maybe I’ll have a kid by then? I think a kid would trigger many changes

SA: yup a kid does. You wrote mind asking you ? What did u want to ask? Please ask as I will have to take your leave in few minutes

Ra Si: do u see if I have any chances of learning more on Jyotish? And if my previous assumption that I studied it in previous life is correct

SA: an advice I give to everyone when they ask this question is not to do more Jyotish – its not good for everyone except a select few and householders should generally avoid is my honest advice

Ra Si: ic

SA: the problem is your D-60 shouts loud on spirituality and occult so I can’t stop u (nor do we try to change Karma): 9L in 12H with Sun and Saturn; in D1 u see 11th lord of Jyotish in the 9H

Ra Si: do u think if I further on it I could leave my family or something like that?

SA: please do not ask that

Ra Si: ok

Ra Si: yes, depending on the answer

SA: I wish you well but do not worry about if you did Jyotish in previous life from D-60 – it’s not easy to see that from Rasi or D-60, all else is theorization and many of us on the internet forums have wasted years and more than a decade on such theorizations; wouldn’t want you to waste yours

Ra Si: I see, your very responsible sir

Ra Si: sir, I’m completely into Jyotish anyway

SA: if I am permitted to give any good advice

Ra Si: and about past lives, my only objective is to know them so I can get rid of them and be forever in the present; Jyotish is a mean to achieve that I think

SA: actually Jyotish is a means to learn about one’s pending karma so that we execute it in this life and move on in our soul cycle. Predictions about future was only a tool to attract the common man to learn about his pending karma. Unfortunately it has now become a tool to make a person addictive towards the astrologer and obsessive to know about the future (today we do not find astrologers who kick out regular clients, the astrologer who does and is not making you addictive towards astrology is the real astrologer)

Ra Si: yes, that’s not what I seek, I just want to be in peace and to that I need to learn about myself – and my pending karma – rather my Self

SA: one of the Bhrighu’s methods of finding One of the major pending karmas is by observing the 6H and its lord

Ra Si: on rashi?

SA: see it in the D-1 and D-60, observe it and mull over it for some time and you yourself will be able to decipher it

Ra Si: thanks a lot sir

SA: now I must take your leave, I rarely come on chat or on forums but I somehow managed to see only one mail which was yours and I am pleased to having seen it. Wishing you all the best. You have 3 retro planets so take it easy in life Raphael

Ra Si: I think it’s a great niimita that we met sir – what about the 3 retro planets sir?

SA: that is kind of you to say that and I wish I had more time and knowledge to give you more predictions via D-60 without using transits or dasas which is what I do. I should not be saying this but when 3 retro planets are there, there are many many indications one of them is a tough life or a superb successful life, Venus in your 5H in D-60, you would have suffered a bit in love

Ra Si: I did, learned a lot from it

SA: something to do with love would have happened in the 16th year of your life or the 17th year of your life

Ra Si: exactly sir, 16 and 17 were major years in love matters

SA: I am sorry you went through that but all of us need to go through that

Ra Si: yes…

SA: see your D-60 lagna is no doubt correct. I hope you did not spend money trying to figure out which is your D-60 lagna or trying to correct your birth time

Ra Si: nope, not at all

SA: good good. Unfortunately everyone I meet lands up spending some 200-500 dollars trying to rectify their birth chart and I feel so bad hence I felt I should help you before you land up spending that kind of amount

Ra Si: I don’t even have this kind of money with me atm

SA: Saturn aspects your 2nd house so be careful of negative events you predict, they can come correct

Ra Si: but I felt I’d be able to do that on my own sooner or later

SA: good

Ra Si: ok sir

SA: Jupiter is in the 12H and it will implement itself in the 10H of career, so be careful that you don’t do too much Jyotish or it will spoil your career – or too much spirituality

Ra Si: it might happen indeed

SA: I rarely advise anyone to become an astrologer due to what I see happening in the name of astrology – that’s a non Jyotish advice I give and then I discourage people who are about to get fooled by the astrology of curses

Ra Si: lol

SA: there is no such thing as strong as curse, for curses there are different combinations, what you see if a benefic is aspected or in association with 2 malefics is just pending karma regarding it

Ra Si: ic ic

SA: struggles very hard due to malefics that’s about it. But then it’s easier to fool foreigners with jargons like curses and they feel so strong about it, but its unfair to play with someone’s feelings and emotions. Anyways this is not the intention of this discussion and not needed so I must take your leave

Ra Si: ok sir

SA: May the Force be with you

Ra Si: I appreciate your concerns

SA: you are most welcome

Ra Si: and also what you said.  May the force be with you too

SA: thanks

Ra Si: have a nice time sir

SA: you too – bye for now

Ra Si: bye

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[1] The method by which 25^th year was arrived at was seeing Sun in the 12H, what we remember vaguely is one BSP method not yet written which was where Sun sits, it implements itself in the 25 th year. While editing this article we tried to locate it from our notes but could not find it.

[2] 25^th year lord as per BCP would be the 1H whose Lord is Moon, the sentence is erroneous by us in the chat as Asc Lord is in the 11H and not in the 5H. – SA Editor

Preface to Secrets Of Shastiamsa

The credit of inspiring scribe to learn about D-60 goes to 3 lines from Shri K.N. Rao in an email reply dated Sept/Oct 04 (reproduced below) – we worked on it and established more than 20 techniques of D-60. His mail confirmed what we had understood in BPHS & confirmed our belief in Parasara. Then, in March/April 2005, when a young astrologer by the name of PVR Narasimha Rao[1] had entered in the territory of K.N Rao’s Jyotish Group and gave an analysis of past life via D 60, then as a response K. N. Rao revealed in the Jyotish Group list to P. V. R. Narasimha Rao & all what Parasara has said on D-60: that it is not a chart for past life as was the misconception of the parampara knowledge of Narasimha. This opened the eyes of many though anyone who has read BPHS knew it or just did not understand it.

An honest confession is that at that time we felt” Ohh why did KNR reveal it to them/al!” We were jealous as if something that we only knew from him was known by everyone. This jealousy was due to functioning of the old energy and the 11:11 global spiritual event had still not set in us.

It was an email from Shri K. N. Rao to one of our team members, a mere few lines which opened the Pandora’s box. We worked hard on it and shared with many in our private chats – later, our Jodhpur friend said that some Gurus in the west from the Internet Parampara who were also our friends then, and who were following D-60 for past life had now shifted to D-60 as a normal chart. What’s unique is that we were using Bhrighu Chakra Paddathi on D-60 and our friend Vinay Patwardhan, an ex-SJC guy, was using BCP and D-60 ‘Only’ for 2 years after we shared our methods with him and he had reported stunning results.

The article Part 1 was earlier named as ‘Movement of Kala’ and we had presented it in 2006 to BAVA (British Astrological Vedic Association) and then CVA (Council of Vedic Astrology, America) for publication.…..

Releasing this article has been a long pending task – with each issue, we would feel guilty that, apart from Bhrighu methods, we did not publish our old methods. Now we do so.

Note for warning is, in those days we followed analysis via the ‘complicated methods of internet forums’ and now we no longer do so. Also, the charts would have true and even mean nodes, now we feel more confident on true nodes though at ‘few’ times mean nodes have given great results. On this, we have realized our mistake that astrologers’ intuition should not be mixed from the scientific background of calculating true nodes. We have not tried to correct the birth time and the charts are to be used only as illustrations. We dedicate this article and great methodology to Shri K. N. Rao.

The following mail below is K. N. Rao’s response to our friend upon his request to show him the secrets of how to use Shastiamsa as K. N. Rao has had the advantage of learning astrology from yogis. Our friend did feel, after 2 years, that the D-60 past life theory was all misguiding and theoretical  - in fact, he learnt later in life that these days Indian writers and Gurus offer a lot of theory on forums or in their articles as Westerners love to grab these theories and sell it in conferences or private tuitions. Indian Gurus know the American and Modern Youth obsession for explanations and use it as a tool to fool them either to make money or grab fame.

From: knrao

Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:36 AM

Subject: Re: _________: Thank you Sir
4 September 2004
My dear ____,
Try 9/49/21 (9 hours 49 mins 21 secs) with Mesha navamsha, Dhanu dashamansha with Venus in the third house, Kanya Vimshamsha (D-20) and best of all Tula Shastiamsha (D-60) which shows Tula lagna (in D-60) with fifth lord, Saturn receiving the aspect of Venus and association of Sun giving Venusian education which is technical in nature, something like textiles, and Moon in the tenth house giving the artistic (commercial) with technical skill provided by Mars and advisory role and consultancy by Jupiter aspecting it.

K.N.Rao.

Words in the above email in maroon italics are ours for the readers’ understanding. The above explanation and analysis of D-60 taking Tula Lagna and explaining the textile education, media/bollywood career is only from the native’s D-60. One can note (if we understood it correctly) that KNR uses the word lagna and 5L of D-60 that means he uses houses in D-60. This is intended for those who have spent countless days discussing on forums that K. N. Rao does not use houses in divisional charts and they claimed intimacy with him & quoted him wrongly without properly reading his books. Also, in 2007 in a discussion with one of the closest friends of K. N. Rao, we realised that K. N. Rao had kept this methodology of D-60 ‘Complete Chart Delineation’ to himself and worked on it secretly like Tithi Pravesh ,knowing full well that certain techniques when revealed can be misused by those hungry for fame.

Warning

Do not get misguided by those who tell you that time of birth always needs to be corrected. Most astrologers are in the herd mentality, if 5 astrologers repeat one line it becomes a dictum and often we see in forums that everyone is correcting birth time. This has become an obsession with westerns and now Indians to get their birth time corrected. In the past 6-7 years of working with D60 and making numerous successful predictions we have realised that in 95% of the cases the birth time as reported was correct. In some cases when indications are too confusing, ascertaining the D 60 Lagna is difficult but it will be truly not so with someone else whose basics are more stronger than ours. Always remember that there will always be one event that will clinch the deal of the correct Asc, looking out for that event in the client’s life is what an astrologer who is trying to correct the D 60 must be vigilant about as that event would not be possible to explain via any other Asc of D60. Everyone has shares of failures here is one short example of a great American Astrologer where we failed in basics. Arudha Lagna is in the 9H of Guru and maximum Westerners from all over the world learn Parasari and now Jaimini Astrology from him as he is a great teacher and a humble being.

Today his worth has expanded to India too where his books costing Rs 2500 are still being bought. We saw his D60 for 2 seconds and then seeing Ketu in the second house of family deity and (even though he is an American) we asked him if he has a ‘Huge Idol of Lord Ganapathi in his house’. He said no, he has a medium size Idol in his house plus 2 big pictures of Lord Ganapati’. We realised we had failed and we had used the Indian word Jyaada (More) which means anything from huge to more number in colloquial parlance here and had failed ignoring that Saturn limits which is basics of astrology. Use mean nodes and Ketu disappears from 2H to the 12H. Can Ketu and idols via 12H be explained ?

Secrets of Shastiamsa – 1

Thy Experiments Towards Truth

Secrets of Shastiamsa – 1

Kaala’s Movement (as written in 2006)

By

Saptarishis Astrology

Copy editor: Andree Leclerc

Part I

Exploring Kala’s Movement in Shastiamsa (D60)

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here are many methods to use Shani’s Transit & Aspect of Shani has been used in most novel manners in Nadi Granthas like Bhrigu Nadi & Deva Kerelam (Chandra Kala Nadi) which are different from the traditional 3,7,10 aspect.

Legendary late astrologer Shri C.S. Patel has shown Nadi methods of Shani’s transit aspects in many unique manners, one among them being Saturn aspecting 6, 8, 12 & 3^rd houses from its transit position. We shall limit ourselves to only 3, 7, 10 in this article.

Our write up deals with Shani & will try to achieve few things:

a)           To Remove ‘subtly’ the misconception that Shani is always bad

b)          Shani is also called as ‘Kaala’ or TIME as it is he who discharges Karma, good or bad. We as astrologers deal with Time so the movement of Shani for us is most important to watch. As the famous ‘Saharampur’ Pandit known for his secret Bhrigu Techniques once said, nothing moves in anyone’s life without Shani & Jup both coming into play – please note it can be a good or bad event.

c)           Judging if Sadesati is good or bad is tough for even experienced astrologers & many known methods fail – and some experienced astrologers have observed that for 2 people born with same Natal Chart within a gap of 40-50 minutes of each other – one of them experiences Sadesati & other does not. This leads us to the final divisional chart of D60 where Moon changes sign in approximately 50 minutes.

D60 or Shastiamsa, as it is called, is tough to see due to inaccurate birth times because it changes lagna every 2 minutes although most planets do not change signs in D60 for many hours.

The subsequent question gotten is: Should we use Divisional Transits? Have our ancient books sanctioned it? 99% of astrologers spend lifetimes arguing that it has not been mentioned, whereas some ‘Just Do It’ (that is just use it).

Divisional Transits

We came across a verse in Chandrakala Nadi Part 1 P.314, verse 3124 (below is translation by Shri C.S. Patel).

Verse 3124: When Saturn transits Chandra Navamsa Rasi (Rasi represented in the natal chart by the Moon’s occupied Navamsa Rasi) or the sign occupied by the Moon (in Natal Chart), the native suffers from enemies, mental anguish & humiliation from secret blemish.

Note 3 words: 1) Enemies 2) Mental Anguish 3) Humiliation from Secret Blemish

Verse 2044/45: When Saturn transits the 8th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi, the native will suffer great calamity during Rahu’s period and will have termination of some running favorable yogaphala or yogabhanga results.

Verse 2385 talks about bad results for Saturn’s transit in the 7th from Chandra Navamsa Rasi

Conclusion From Above Verses

1)      Ancient texts sanction the use of Divisional Transits that can be strongly accepted or loosely accepted

2)     Or Ancient Texts like Chandra Kala Nadi are asking us to super impose the Divisional Chart position on the natal chart and check transits on it.

3)     The interesting part for those who use Navamsa only for Marriage Matters is they can see that the verses do not talk about anything to do with Marriage

Chandra Navamsa Rasi cannot be ignored but, while reading the above, it struck us to integrate the same in our vast Shastiamsa (D60) researches that we have been carrying out for some time ‘even with inaccurate birth times of 20-25 mins’.

Important

The moon sign in Shastiamsa (D60) is to be referred to as ‘Chandra Shastiamsa Rasi’ & it is significant to note that the Moon doesn’t change sign in D60 for a period of approximately 50 minutes.

The Usual Suspects:

v  When it comes to the D60 chart, most ignore it using the excuse of the birth time not always being accurate hence, most astrologers do not even go beyond D10 & the mental block continues for lifetimes.

v  Of late, D60 has became popular to see for Past (Previous) Life Karma[1]

v BPHS (Chp 7, shlokas 1-8) gives clear instructions on the exact usage of D60; to limit its usage to see the previous life of a native is limiting the astrology of Parasara. Sage uses the word षष्टायंशेऽखिलमीक्षयेत्।- everything is indicated for D45 and D60

Methodology in this Write Up

v  Ignore the Lagna of D60 (for now) & just note down the sign position of Moon in D60 (Shastiamsa)

v  See Sign of Tr (Transit) Sat in Rasi (natal) & superimpose it on D60 vis-à-vis Shastiamsa Moon

v  Sat in houses 12, 1, 2 from Moon, or 4^th & 8^th from Moon is considered bad (though not always) but can also given spectacular rise as Shani is ‘Time Personified’

v  Divisional SAV & BAV of Moon – Sat is important to map any transits but it can only be depended at the rate of 75% & is not the end all

v  Note this statement from an old astrologer ‘Saturn is a Old Courier Man who carries the letters (containing past karmas – good or bad) & where he stations (houses) he drops those letters

v  D60 lagna changes every 2 minutes approximately & that’s one of the reasons its value is highest – while at the same time being a big deterrent for even seasoned astrologers to use it. But, we will see that even without the correct Asc, we can get some clues with Sat Tr in respect to D60 Moon to interpret results profitably.

Note: (those who do not believe in Ascendant of a divisional chart or authenticity of exact time can ignore the house explanations)

Let us study some charts to see if during these transits the natives went through bad times or good times.

Example 1: Tony Blair (Rodden’s Rating AA)

Event 1:  19th Oct 2003 – heart problems

v  On Oct 2003, Sat was in Gemini. Sat was in the 6th from Moon (Chandra Shastiamsa Rasi) indicating health issues

v  Now superimpose this in D60 chart where Tr Sat comes into the 3H and looks at the 5H of heart & Leo (heart) sign also & directly at the 5L Sun himself

v  It was noted as some minor problem though other doctors said it was serious

v  Tr Jup in 5H of heart & aspecting the natal D60 Sun as 5L saved him.

v  Lastly, Tr Sat in D60 SAV has 29 bindus

Event 2: 1st May 1997 elected British PM

v  Tr Saturn is in Pisces, 3^rd from Chandra Shastiamsa Rasi

v  Tr Jup is in his 10H of career right on his D60 Moon sign & Sat aspects the 2H of Administration & 5L Sun is in the 9H of Kingdom

v  Tr Sat has 33 bindus in D60 SAV, in Moon BAV 3 points and in Sat BAV of D60, it is transiting over 6 bindus which is very high. Sat shows masses.

Event 3: 2005-2006 – Problems & disloyalty

v  Tr Sat in Cancer, 7^th from Moon, is in the 4H of parliamentary career so 4H (homeland) matters will shake (London train bomb episode) & so will his parliamentary career (4H)

v  Tr Sat also aspecting LL (self) & 8L of downfall, Mars, & 4 L Moon. Most importantly, Tr Sat occurs on D60 natal Sat – time for major changes in career.

v  D60 SAV 28 (average) with zero shodita points, Moon D60 BAV 4 bindus & Sat BAV only 3 – three points will show unpopularity with the Masses (for Sat)

Event 4: Nov 06 onwards

v  Tr Sat is in Leo, 8^th from his Moon, causing Astham Sani & in 5H of power/seat which will also be effected since there is GL (Power, Fame, etc.) causing defame thereby effecting all these significations and resulting in loss of it to a certain extent, showing problems with the Law/Govt of a country as it is in sign Leo (Govt) and in trine to Sun the 5L.

v  D60 SAV is only 28, Moon BAV 3 & Sat BAV only 2 (very little contact with the masses)

Example 2: Prince Charles

As the aim of this article is not to establish the correctness of the D60 Lagna & due to shortage of space, we shall look at only one chart as an example showing ‘How to See a D60 Chart’ in its entirety (though not detailed here).

D60 Short Analysis of Prince Charles

a)     Lagna is occupied by 4L Ven (female) so the self will be dominated by the Mother & the native will love women (numerous affairs). With LL (self) with 5L (interests) in 12H of charity, he could be involved with lot of charity.

b) 5L of education Mars in the 12H of abroad would mean some education abroad (he did 2 terms in Australia)

c) 6L of accidents Jup is debilitated in the 7H in sign Cap (the 10H of Kaalapurusha signifying knees) so problem with knees can be seen with aspect of Mars (knife/speed) – and in 1998, he underwent surgery (Mars) to repair knee cartilage. Mars aspecting the 6H will give accidents while doing speeding activities – in 2001 he fell from horse and broke a bone.

d) 7L in 2H (8th from it) with Sun – see that Sat & Sun do not get along so, won’t get along in marriage & it would break. Merc in the 7H would create frigidity in marriage & extra marital affairs (Mer) and both Diana and Charles confessed to this.

e) Rahu in the 9H will give lots of foreign travel & an attraction to foreign religions or support of them (he favors Dalai Lamas struggle)

f) Love (5L) in the 12H uniting with self (LL) Moon will indicate many things like love in one’s life will come from a previous life with a very deep pending karma attached to it or that his real love will manifest after someone’s death (12H is house of exit) and only after Diana (5L) died they could unite —

g) 7L Sat is in the 2H with Sun, so one person in the family is a Miser and/or the family is a fallen family from position; the native’s 1^st wife won’t get along with a family member or it could even be 2^nd wife (8^th from 7^thnd marriage too) who won’t get along with Mother (11^th from 4H and 2^nd from 4L). – some take 11H for 2

One can go on and on but someone’s personal tragedies are only a case study for astrologers.  The Chart with Cancer D60 Lagna sounds so far correct.

Event 1: Wikipedia says: By 1992, it was obvious that the marriage (with Diana) was over in all but name…

v  Tr Sat is in Cp, 8^th from D60 Moon in the 7H of marriage

v  Tr Sat in the 7H of marriage creating separation (Sat is separative) between partners & as it is happening in the 7H of public platform, it means public will know it

v  D60 SAV is 20 (very low) & Shodita SAV doesn’t support it with only Zero points; and  with Sat BAV being only 1 point, this was not popular with the masses (Sat)

Event 2: 28th Aug 1996 divorce with Diana

v  We need to stress again that Sat in 10^th from Moon or aspecting 10H from Moon is indicative of MAJOR events

v  Tr Sat ® in Pisces, 10th from Moon indicates significant events

v  When Sat will retrograde, it will look reverse (ref. Bipin Behari) at his 7H with his 3^rd aspect and there sits Jup (DK) – Sat is separative

v  Tr Sat in 9H of institution/religious things like marriage – Sat in 9H would break the Institution that was bonded by religious ceremonious thread

v  Bhrigu Method is to see a planet’s effects from the previous house Too if a planet is retrograde

v  Tr Sat in 8H will aspect the 7H of marriage & 8H of scandals/bad name – what stars earlier promised is full filled now

v  Sat Retro seen from the 8H would break the marriage, as it causes Sadesati to 7H & 8H which shows sustenance of marriage; D60 SAV of 8H has 21 bindus only whereas the 9H has 30 bindus

Event 3: 9th Apr 2005 marriage with Camilla Parker

v  Tr Sat in Ge, 1^st from Moon & in 12H of D60 – should this be treated like a usual bad transit or a delivery of Karma on self (LL)

v  In 12H, Tr Sat (7L) & Jup bless 9H of union. Tr Sat (Kaala- Time) unites/activates self (Moon LL) & Love (Mars 5L). The whole drama being played in the 12H would show undue delay or changes even the last minutes before marriage or someone’s death (12H or 8H if involved) – the Pope’s death delayed by few days & Diana’s death delayed by few years the supposedly Twin Flames from uniting.

v  D60 SAV has strong 33 bindus & Shodita has 12 which is very strong supporting the event; in BAV of Sat it has 5 bindus, again very strong.

Example 3: Top Post in Media

This native held a topmost post in one of the biggest media houses in India. In such positions, has to do less work & engaging more in corporate games. Unfortunately & once our luck runs out, Lord Shani becomes free to strike.

Event: In Sept 2001, the native was shown the pink slip and till date has not risen to the glorious influential position he once commanded.

v  Tr Sat in Sept 01 in Ta, 7^th from Moon (D60) who is 8L in D60 & debilitated

v  Tr Sat is in the 6H of service & Sat is 3L of change of service (6^th from 10H); it is also on 6L Ven (native is in the TV field). Sat activated the 8H of downfall, 12H of abroad & 3H of change of job cum travel

v  Native resigned on his own (corporate form of pink slip) & shifted abroad with family immediately

v  D60 Sat with 26 SAV & zero Shodita, SAV added to it but didn’t cause major upheaval by maintaining dignity (BAV of Sat has 5 bindus)

Example 4: Divorce – March 05

v  Mars 2L of family in D1 is in Mrityubhaga. Meanwhile, in D60, Jup 2L of family is debilitated in the house of loss – both charts indicate some loss of family (not touching D9 due to want of space)

v  7H has Gulika & Mandi, poison will flow out of it giving tensions; D60 Pramaana Gulika dispositor is Saturn (note this in mind); 7L is Sun is debilitated in the 9H of institution (religious ceremonies of life) & Blessings of Gods aspected by debilitated Sat (with UL) from 3H of free will or own act happening in the 6/12 axis from AL indicating the nature of the event.

v  Do not forget Sc Rahu with debilitated Moon in 10h of sukha of marriage.

v  He says ‘ I seeked advice from top astrologers who said divorce wouldn’t happen’, scribe wonders if they saw D60 of the native too. Recently on famous internet lists, top astrologers are rectifying his chart by changing his birth time which, according to scribe’s humble opinion, is not needed at all if we follow what Parasara said on how to see D60. But since only 1 event of the native’s life is known, it is tough to rectify D60 – especially chart rectification shouldn’t be started with marriage as it would be most disastrous.

v  Now see Tr in Mar 05, Sat ® was in Ge in 8^th from Moon causing Ashtam Sani & in 5H of D60 causing separation in romance of marriage, plus aspecting the 2H of family & 7H of marriage

v  Sat is separative & if Bhrigu’s Method is used, then Tr Sat being Retro would be in the 4H  of happiness aspecting the 6H of separation or legal divorce

v  D60 SAV of the 5H has 31 points ‘BUT’ in the previous house, 4H SAV is poorest at only 25 bindus – explaining why Bhrigu Nadi method cannot be ignored.

Example 5: Sonia Gandhi

Very Short D60 Analysis

The reason this chart is explained here is that months were spent on internet lists discussing the correct time of Sonia Gandhi’s birth.

v  7L Moon in Cp with Sat, husband could be connected to the masses (Sat Moon) & in 2H Mars, the bomb, is sitting in an enemy’s house and aspected by Rahu (terrorist) from the 6H while 12L Jup aspects from the 8H of Sudden End who is also 3L of short travel – Rajiv was campaigning then.

v  10h is the mother-in-law (Indira) & Ven is in Malavaya Yoga with AL (mother-in-law should be a famous person) aspected by Rahu, known for her fighting spirit.

v  5L of romance in Mahapurusha yoga in Kendra to self (Sat) & 7L Moon shows their (Rajiv-Sonia) Soul Mate Love for each other as reported by the press.

v  9H is the house of younger brother of husband (3^rd from 7H); the sign is Virgo aspected by maraka Mars, Virgo’s lord is Mer in a Venusian sign (the hint is clear as to who he was) aspected by Sun (Sanjay Gandhi was known for his firebrand nature). 8^th from Mer (lord for younger brother) will show his death – there exalted Ketu sits in the 12H of exit in the sign of Sagittarius, a fiery sign : the plane crashed and went up in smoke.

Event 1: Mother in law, Indira Gandhi’s Death on 31^st Oct 1984

v  Tr Sat in Libra, 10th from the Moon indicates Dramatic Change Time

v  Tr Sat (maraka lord) in 10H of mother-in-law & on Ven the 10L

v  D60 SAV is 27 (low), Moon & Sat BAV in D60 are only 2 for both – that’s very bad

v  Observe Tr Sat with Tr Sun & Tr Mer – see the lordships of Sun & Mer from lagna & also from the 10H of mother-in-law – and the picture is clearer

v  Tr Rahu in the 8^th from the 10H shows that there is something Sudden (Rahu) & Terrorist (Rahu) awaiting the mother-in-law. Rahu is a maraka co-lord too.

Event 2: Rajiv Gandhi Assassinated on 21^st May 1991

v  Tr Sat® in Cp on natal Chandra Shastiamsa Rasi & also 7L Moon

v  Tr Sat ® (maraka lord) in 1H aspecting the 7H of husband & on the 7L Moon (he was known as the soft one) & Hara (end) lord Mars (11L) in the 7H with 12L of exit Jup by Tr. Something surely has to happen to the husband or their marriage or the children as Tr Sat ® aspect on the 10H where the 5L is posited shows that children would be affected badly

v  At the end, husband and marriage both were over & the children were obviously effected

v  One can see the position of Tr Rahu from the 7H of husband to know who the culprit was

v  SAV is only 27 in D60 & Shodita has dropped drastically to Zero

Event 3: 18^th May 2004 declined from becoming Prime Minister

v  Tr Sat is in Ge in the 6H of D60 chart, 3^rd from Moon – both good places by Tr i.e. from Moon & Lagna for Saturn

v  D60 SAV is 33 (very high) in 6H indicating the defeat of enemies possibility, BAV of D60 Moon is a whopping 7 & Sat BAV is 6, the masses were with her

v  When she declined to be PM, her supporters tried committing suicide – her victory was a slap to the opposition party BJP & was incomprehensible

Event 4: 2005-2006 had to resign from Parliament, continuous Mud Slinging on her & Revenge Time

v  Tr Sat in Cancer, the 7^th from Shastiamsa Chandra Rasi & also the 7H of relations spoiled her relations with some loyalists & frontal attacks by Opposition

v  Accusations were hurled at her, post of profit issues – she resigned and won the elections again

v  One of the toughest times for native one could say, with poor performance of her Govt & Chief Ministers

Example 6: Amitabh Bachchan, Most Famous Man of the Millennium – BBC Polls

Event 1: Fatal Accident in Film shooting that moved millions to pray for him as he was fighting death – July 1982

v  Tr Sat with Tr 12L Mars in Virgo – in the 4^th from D60 Moon causes Ardha Shani in the 5H of fame while also aspecting the 6L of accidents Ven & LL (self)

v  Tr Sat & Mars both aspect the 11H (Hara – 6^th from 6^th of accidents) & natal Mars placed in the maraka 2H along with Karma of accidents, 3L Moon

v  Please note Mars Tr in 4H from Moon results in stomach problems (Phaladeepika Chapter 26) & he was HIT IN THE STOMACH damaging internal organs there

v  D60 SAV has 21 points in Vi where Tr Sat & Mars are and also Mars BAV of D60 has only 1 point. Indeed a time to fight for life.

The usual mistake by astro enthusiasts is that whenever we read a method in articles, we apply it as the SOLE criteria, whereas the particular author might be trying to demonstrate the method in a way to make stand out the principles he is trying to explain. Another factor is to apply the above method to it’s fullest; other factors of D60 have to be taken into account which deserve much wider space, for transits cannot be above dasas. Even if one’s D60 lagna is not accurate, we can apply this profitably by only seeing its position from the D60 Moon (without using SAV) and see some meaning to it – and it becomes one More Tool in our arsenal of Tools that we’ll refine with continuous usage of it.

As one old Master once said to scribe ‘Complex methods are just a state of the mind, an innocent (Jup) student of this science will understand it easily & profitably, whereas an advanced biased student might never’ is what this scribe ends this paper with as yet, I have to understand what he said in its entirety. His parting words were ‘U have been given the highest Key for learning astrology in that statement Beta (son).

The credit of inspiring scribe to learn about D60 goes to 3 lines from Shri K.N. Rao in an email reply dated Oct 04, we worked on it and established more than 20 techniques of D60.

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[1] Previous life cum Future life of native can be clearly seen in D1 if one knows how to see it & the exact detailed methodology is lost or many techniques exist with the astrological community divided over it.

Secrets of Shastiamsa – 2

ThyExperiments Towards Truth

D 60 & Bhrighu Chakra Paddathi (BCP)

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Saptarishis Astrology

Copy editor: Andree Leclerc

SJC Gurus D-60 Analysis via BCP

The following as an analysis done via email to an SJC Guru from America who had provided some of his life events earlier.

These are the comments on your D 60

1. If Capricorn Asc is correct, LL Saturn is in the 8H of occult with 9L in the 8H (change of religion or religious beliefs) along with Venus the 10L of Karma, so your karma was and is in fields of the occult and religion. In the dasa of Saturn/Venus (ruler of the 5H of mantra) there has to be transformation as both Saturn Venus are in the 8H of occult and transformation sitting with Mer (Vishnu), the dispositor of this being in the 12H of abroad. You traveled and joined Guru’s ashram (9L is Mer with Saturn Venus) and got diksha of mantra. Venus the AD is 5L of mantra aspected by Mars from the 5H and this 8H has A5. Ketu the planet of Spirituality was in transit in your 8H during June 5, 1970 and in your own words “I Received Hari Nam Diksa from my guru – Age 23”. Age 23 would mean the 11H of the chart as per BCP  & in the 11H Jupiter (Guru) is placed and its lord Mars is in the 5H of mantra so you got mantra.

SJC Guru: Yes, everything is very good so far.  Age 23 was the most important year of my life, given the meeting with my guru and receiving Diksha from him.  This, by the way, was very, very disconcerting and difficult for my mother, as she had no idea who Hare Krsna’s were, and thought I had gone mad.  See Jupiter/Sc in the 8^th from Moon, with both rulers of Sc having Papa-kartari with 4th house and Moon.

1. Jup is in the 11H of jyotisha making you an astrologer apart from 10L in the 8H which is one (not necessary) of the combinations for astrologers along with Rahu in the 9H for foreign influences. The karakatwa of Jupiter is Guru and, as it is in your 11H, it is Jyotish Guru – this Jupiter is the 3L of writing and 12L of spirituality aspecting the 5H of authorship where 11L of Jyotish, Mars, is sitting causing Guru mangal Yoga. As Jup is in the 11H, the ages of 47 and 59 (as per BCP) give something to do with Jyotish writing and authorship and spirituality and you wrote: “October 5, 2005:  Book on __ dasa was released”.  The book on __ dasa was on spirituality but since Mars is aspecting this 11H of 59^th year, there has to be some jealousy involved and some blockage. To be noted: the sign of Jupiter is Sc – of the occult. The Chara dasa of KNR was Cancer Dasa. 5^th from there is Jupiter making you an author – and during this Cancer dasa, you would become a bigger Guru since Jupiter is the 9L sitting in the 5H from Cn Dasa, also making you a sishya and making you meet your guru. The only unfortunate thing is this Jupiter is aspected by Rahu (remember the article I wrote on Rahu implements itself in the 3^rd from it Vol 2 or 3) and it is unfortunate that whenever you become a guru or get a guru, some cheating or bad name will happen eventually (I am using true nodes, but if mean nodes were used, then Rahu will be conjunct Jup which explains it easily I presume). Jupiter in the 11H, jyotish or guru can become a badha (big obstacle) in life at some stage.

SJC Guru:  This actually happened in the earlier two rounds, i.e. in the 47^th year, and earlier than that, in the 35^th year.  In the 35^th year (again 11H as per BCP where Jup the priest is placed) I became the head Pujari at the Seattle temple of ISKCON, and as a result had to deal with jealousy and anger from one of the leaders in that temple.  I persevered in spite of it.  In the 47^th year (11H as per BCP), I started teaching Jyotish and that aroused envy from a well-known local Jyotishi who lived in Seattle at that time (still does).  So in this ways, Mars’ influence showed itself strongly in those years.  The latter effect also continued in the following year too, i.e. 48^th.

1. Sun is in the 12H so something to do with 12H matters would have happened in the 25^th year, please see if it happened. Any feedback would be nice

SJC Guru:  Yes, during the 25^th year – right at the beginning of it in fact – my guru asked me and 4 other brahmacaris to go to Salt Lake City and open a temple there.  This was a difficult task, as I was still a new devotee, and we had to go two states over from where I was (LA, California).  That was a tough year, as the winter in 1970 was extremely harsh and we chanted Hari Nam in the streets every day in spite of the cold.  At first there was no place to stay, and we stayed in the homes of sympathetic people.  Finally we got our own building and started a temple (SUN)!

1. An event regarding your mother or 4/5H in the 32^nd year

SJC Guru:  I don’t remember anything specific.  Then again, I was not in touch with my mother at that time, having renounced family.

1. May 20, 1989:  Left temple life for good and started supporting myself doing Jyotish readings – Age 42, this would mean the 6H: its lord Mercury is in the 8H of transformation along with the 10L of karma and 2L of vocation so something new started in your life related to Mer (9L of dharma) and 2^nd series of your dharma started.

SJC Guru:  In the following year (43^rd), which began 9/18/1989, a significant relationship started, and this corresponds to the 7^th house/Cancer.  Cn and its 7^th are aspected by DK as well as natal 7^th lord Mars.  This, however, did not last more than 6 months.  See 12^th lord Jupiter aspecting 7^th lord, and also Bandana yoga forming onto the 7^th house by Mars and Rahu.

1. March 12, 1986:  Started illicit affair while still pujari in the temple – this lasted a year and 1/2 – Age 39 – this would be the 3H where Ketu (mistake) and AL (image) is placed and its lord Jupiter is in the sign of Sc (sex scandal) and in the 11H of wife (woman) and Jyotish. This relationship would eventually lead you to Jyotish I guess, think you mentioned that earlier, many years back to me. Ketu the 39^thth year where Moon (one’s name) and A8 (scandal and sex) is placed in the 4H of ones prestige, causing some scandal. The woman must have been feminine I presume. year is in the 3H of new karma opposite the 9H of temple and aspected by Rahu (scandal) – you mentioned that this lasted 1.5 years which makes it 40

SJC Guru:  Not sure what you mean by “woman must have been feminine”.  She was very beautiful, if that is what you mean.  Anyway, up until that time she worked in the Deity department of the temple and we became friends. At the time, Saturn transited Scorpio, which is where DK and lord of Pisces is placed.

1. July 3, 1994: Met Sri K.N. Rao and Jyotish reached a new level as a result – Age 47 – this would be the 11H of Jyotish as per BCP where Jupiter (Guru) is sitting who is 3L of travel and 12L of abroad. K. N. Rao traveled from abroad (to where you were placed) and you met him and this changed your life since 3L is the house of unlocking of Karma (mentioned this in the previous editorial Vol 6 or 7). You should have stuck to K. N. Rao as this was Jupiter’s 4^th round – the result would have gone into the 8H and he might have unraveled quite a few secrets, especially since you have the intelligence to understand.

SJC Guru:  What do you mean “this was Jupiter’s 4^th round, the result would have gone into the 8^thH?  But yes, in retrospect I feel that I got distracted when I joined the parampara. Now I am back to using all of KN Rao’s techniques, especially with regard to Jaimini, and it is working wonderfully well.

1. January 1, 1995: Started relationship with ___  at – Age 48 – it is 12H of bed pleasures as per BCP and 8L of sex, Sun, is sitting there and this is a very very past life karma for you.

SJC Guru:  It was also the Chara dasa of Ar/Sg, Aries being 7^th from lagna, and Sg being 7^th from 7^th lord and UL.  Me/Ju/Ma Vimsottari dasa was very appropriate.  On this date, when we consummated the relationship, transit Venus was in the exact degree conjunction of DK Jupiter.

1. March 16, 2005:  Life-threatening illness started:  I was sick until July that year – almost died   – Age 58 –

See Age 58 would be 10H where A6 (disease) is sitting and its lord Venus has gone in the 8H of chronic diseases – remember in last issue I revealed a Bhrighu Technique: where Venus sits one has to spend on diseases/health issues; using that with BCP, the lord of the 58 year has become Venus so you spend on disease and it being in the 8H, it would be chronic and concerning your longevity (since 8H is house of longevity as you know and you wrote that you almost died).

SJC Guru: This was a very bad situation, as not only was I deafly ill, but I started to have serious problems in my relationship with Dana also.  Transits of nodes + Saturn all converged strongly onto the natal 7^th lord which is also the AK at this time.

1. 7L is Moon sitting with A8 (bad) and 6^th from it is Rahu – the 6H is the natural house of black magic and Rahu is spirits. This Rahu from spouse 7L Moon becomes badha and also 6H is the house of badha. Around age of 62 (2^nd house) the spirit problem would have enhanced as Rahu lord of Aq sits in the 6^th of badha of 7L of wife.

SJC Guru: It actually started getting really bad the year before when the dasa rasi was in the 12^th house.  There you see Venus’ dispositor in the 12^th aspected by nodes + Mars also.  There were some very unhappy events, crises in fact, which became very intense in the summer of 2007.  This indeed continued to be bad in 2008.  Now, recently this has become even worse, now with Rx Saturn transiting on natal lagna lord Venus.  There are, however, good signs as of today.  Yesterday she went into a new Tithi Pravesh year and which is altogether better than it was in the previous two years.  So already improvements are being felt and I am thankful for it.  Still, she is unstable, but becoming more desirous of approaching God for shelter.

1. Based on our article presumably titled ‘Timing Kala’ written few years ago on D60 and sent to ACVA and BAVA to be published there we used that same technique and asked the chart holder what happened when Tr Saturn around 17 Ar 27 transited the Moons degree in D60 (earlier only one software, Goravani, used to give (years back) and now Jhora also gives this option of degrees in Shastiamsa – obviously this is a hypothetical degree and not the actual degree of planet). Moon is with A8 (occult) and it is the 7L of PadaPrapthi (Public Platform and Status) & 7L of wife/partner. The lord of Moon is Mars and goes in the 5H of fame in D60 and is aspected by Jupiter (being Guru).

“Also when Saturn was at 17Ar 27 what happened in your life”?

SJC Guru: This occurred on 2/14/2000, and I was in the Ketu MD and Moon AD (Vim.).  It was in this month/year that I travelled to Sedona, AZ for the ACVA conference and gave a lecture there.  I was also a guest speaker at a workshop on spirituality at the same conference, as a result of which I gained great ground in reputation as a “spiritual” astrologer.  My wife also met me in Sedona afterward, and we had a vacation.  Shortly thereafter, however, in May, 2000, I declared bankruptcy.note A8) (